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Which? clarifies its stance on electric cars

Last week TheGreenCarWebsite.co.uk reported on Which? ‘allegations that electric cars are no cleaner than their combustion counterpart’ (see story). Here Richard Headland, editor, Which? Car replies.

The full article, ‘Electric Cars’, available in the March edition of Which?, describes the advantages and disadvantages of electric and diesel cars. You can also view the results from this article on the website  (www.which.co.uk/cars/choosing-a-car/eco-cars) and see that we do acknowledge the full emission advantages of EVs.

However, when we compared the carbon dioxide created by charging electric cars with that emitted by the most efficient diesel models, we found that sometimes there’s not a great deal of difference.

The common manufacturer claim that electric cars produce ‘zero emissions’ ignores the fact that most drivers use a conventional electricity supply to charge them, which has a carbon cost from burning fossil fuels.

We looked at three of the first electric cars destined to hit the UK market and put them up against three efficient conventional rivals. We found, for example, that the electric Smart Fortwo creates an equivalent of 84 grams of CO2 (created by charging the car) per kilometre driven, whereas the diesel Smart Fortwo emits 103 grams.

The Carbon Trust states that 544 grams of CO2 are emitted per kilowatt hour of electricity used. We converted this to an equivalent grams per kilometre CO2 rating, to make it easier to compare with the diesel cars. This is a figure calculated from fuel (coal, gas etc) burned in power stations, and accounts for losses between the plant and a domestic mains plug. It does not account for the extraction, refining and distribution of fuel to those power stations.

Similarly, our CO2 figures for the diesel cars we tested (at a rolling road) are for fuel burned in the car. They do not include extraction, refining and distribution of the fuel to petrol stations. In this way we’ve tried to achieve a ‘like for like’ figure for electric and diesel cars.

Obviously we appreciate there is a wider picture to CO2 emissions, as the ‘well to wheel’ figures imply. However we have yet to find robust figures to account for these emissions, both in terms of fuel supplied to power stations and fuel supplied to petrol stations.

If you know of any independent, unbiased figures that could help us with this, we’d love to hear about them.

We also point out in our article that electric cars are much greener than diesel cars when it comes to localised emissions, as they don’t emit toxic chemicals that degrade air quality. We recognise that this is especially significant in cities, where the uptake of electric cars is predicted to be highest.

We applaud carmakers’ efforts to create greener cars – but we don’t agree with their ‘zero emissions’ claims. Until more electricity is produced from renewable sources in the UK, the carbon footprint of driving an electric car may not be as small as owners think.

So what do think of Which?’s report. Is it a fair assessment of electric cars? Let us know by leaving a comment below.

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Faye Sunderland, March 28, 2011
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6 comments

JRP3

Using the long tailpipe argument for EV’s while ignoring the long tailpipe for ICE’s obviously can’t provide any real comparison. If they didn’t have the numbers to make an accurate comparison they should have skipped the whole pointless exercise.

March 28, 2011

Ben Rose

Nice to know that Which?’s awareness of all emissions is improving – shame they insist on comparing to stinky diesels.

If they really want to compare all emissions of cars, diesel will be last on the pile – after plug-in hybrids, petrol hybrids, pure petrol and pure EVs.

March 28, 2011

dg

Utterly ridiculous. You can’t call it “fair” to include “well to wheels” for one type of vehicle and not the other! How is that even remotely fair?

Here’s a number for you. Reportedly it takes 6 kWh of energy to merely *refine* a gallon gasoline. Using 6 kWh a typical electric car can drive over 30 km. What do you even need the gasoline for?

March 28, 2011

James Killick

CO2 is only part of the story. Emission regulation does not include CO2 specifically, but all the other nasties that the ICE engines produce and the EVs don’t. So in that respect according to regulation and discounting CO2, the EVs are zero emission. Poisonous gases are much more worrying to me than CO2. Why do you think they took lead out of the petrol. The next generation of emission regulations make it even harder to make cars produce less poisonous gases. Soon they will be mobile chemistry labs if they can actually meet the regs and then the cost will increase with a new types of rare metal catalysts and other additive injection systems added to every ICE car. This is also something else to go wrong. So what do you have on an EV? A motor, it’s controller and a battery pack. The part that actually moves is the motor itself and that normally has “sealed for life” bearings that don’t ever need maintenance. What about the oil changes etc., where is the figure showing the processing costs of oil changes, and topping up with coolant. All the maintenance cost. This is all expended energy. The repairman doesn’t just teleport to where the car is, they also use fuel. I kknow EVs have their shortcomings, but a little research and they are easily revealed and can be compensated for by adapting driving style etc. ICE engines are quote as so many horsepower and so many mpg, but only under ideal conditions. If you drive an ICE car like an arse then the reurns are very poor. It is very easy to get poor returns from an ICE car.

March 29, 2011

PLB

None of these biased claims regarding EV cars take into consideration the fact that the battery packs on these cars rapidly degrade need replacing after a few years. Just imagine the future disposal problems with millions of the huge battery packs having to be dealt with. This is not the answer to pollution it is another cause. Particulates from Deisel cars can be captured with a simple centrifugal filter. If only these filters were fitted as standard much of this pollution would be prevented and diesel cars would then be seen as the efficient vehicles they really are.

March 29, 2011

Simon Arundel

Like myself, many people who purchase an electric vehicle (I’ve been riding a Vectrix for three years) will also be the sort who will choose a green energy electricity provider or will generate power from solar etc. Save for the build which no doubt someone will calculate undermines the maths, that really does allow our personal trasnport to get close to zero carbon.

March 29, 2011

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